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with this. snb's got to break it to mr. boehner. your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. he's the guy who said to fellow 2%ers, got your back. told the other 47% to go fly a kite. they look this decision directly in the eye. they heard the president blaring away about the need to hit the 2%. they heard your guy playing palace guard and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who's looking out for the middle class. time for mr. janer to stop defending his rejected politics, stop talking about the rich and threatening more fights to defend them. the fight was clean and clear. trying to do what the people leektded them to do. join the managing director. 47%. both are msnbc. like the way i lowered my voice there? today the president took his tax pitch to the factory in the nilly suburbs and made clear the rich must pay their fair share meaning they must go up to the top 2%. a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congress
with some grave robbing. we're going down into the dark, cold tomb of the late romney campaign. we're going to excavate the murky truths that were the living heart and mind of the defeated republican effort. going to exhume tonight the guts of the thinking that went on and went so wrong. tonight, we get what we only guessed at, the results of which played out in the numbers of election night. the nasty, anti-immigrant politics, the attitude toward that 47%, the failure to turn out the white male vote, the reason romney picked ryan, and the wild prelude to the clint eastwood performance. tonight right here on "hardball," the dark aroma of what lies now beneath the dirt so we can understand what it looks like to think and feel your way into an historic disaster. with me are jeff zeleny with "the new york times" and susan milligan who is contributing editor at "u.s. news & world report." you laugh. it's not funny. you both attended that harvard institute of policy forum. last week with top advisers from both the obama and romney campaigns. they just released, by the way, tonight, we have the a
with "the daily rundown." >>> together again. mitt romney makes his way to the white house. it's not exactly the way he wanted to get there. but can something constructive come out of a private lunch between president obama and the man he defeated just three weeks ago? that's right. that was just three weeks ago. >>> also this morning, a deep dive into america's longest war. look into lessons learned and the sacrifices made by troops at one combat outpost. tell us about what's been accomplished and what's not in more than a decade of fighting. as the country wakes up obsessed with numbers and winners, for the lottery, that, we've got a very important update on the election night numbers that gave us a winner. they've been changing steadily as the states keep on counting. and some important ways the selection perhaps is now going to get characterized. good morning from washington. it's thursday, november 29, 2012. in case you've been in a bunker all night, the winning powerball numbers are 5, 16, 22, 23, 29. the powerball number itself is 6. the reason i'm here and the reason my entire staff
of embassy attacks back in 1998? we will have the details. >>> mitt romney finally gets a chance to head over to the white house. we will have the details of his upcoming lunch with the president. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using >>> welcome back to "the ed show." one good thing is coming out of the fiscal cliff mess, the demise of grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. he is a conservative industry in washington. he has managed to intimidate people with a certain degree of power but it is starting to unravel. former senator, alan simpson, may be wrong on many things but he has nailed grover norquist. >> he was gathering up those signatures back in the '80s and early '90s when inflation was zip, when unemployment was zip and anybody who would sign anything before they come to congress and hear the debate and participate in it hopefully. why would you do that? it is like selling your soul. let me tell you. he is becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up, because good people of good faith have decided instead of being republicans or d
harry truman did it for herbert hoover. maybe this president could do it for mitt romney. it would set the right tone for the last term. that's what i care about. some common ground out there is going to be the story of the next coming weeks. can they or can't they? that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, mr. romney comes to washington but republicans still don't understand why he lost. the white house released this photo of governor romney and president obama in the oval office. this photo taken the day after their big lunch. through the door, you can see the private dining room where they shared a lunch of turkey chili and southwestern grilled salad and right behind the second-place finisher is the presidential race. you can see the desk that belonged to president kennedy. it's the desk he thought he'd be sitting at. the white house says the lunch was friendly. mr. romney congratulated the president on his victory and wished him well over the next four years. they also talke
mitt romney to lunch at the white house today didn't help. >>> congress has just ten legislative days before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washi
folks including small business owners, middle class americans and mitt romney-loving ceos. if awkward meetings are par for the course in washington, the president's one today takes the cake. later this hour, president obama will sit down for a post-election chitchat with the prince of awkward, the king of tilted conversation and uncomfortabled one-liners, mitt romney. is there a role for mittens in obama world? >> the president noted that governor romney did a terrific job running the olympics and that skill set lends itself to ideas that could make the federal government work better which is a passion of the president's which he's requested reorganization authority from the congress do just that. >> translation, mitt romney may oversee the installation of a new color coded filing system in the white house. thanks for play, governor. and anyway, charm offenses aside the president knows that his real audience is with the american people. according to most recent "the washington post"/abc news poll 60% support his position on taxes while only 37% oppose it. and when you're up 23 points
is leading the republican party. we're learning more about what mitt romney is doing with his free time. i can tell you, it's not him. >>> plus, more conflicts of interest over on fox news. wait until you hear the connection between a fox news pollster and paul ryan. >>> and the stars were out in washington for the kennedy center honors and a few zingers. we'll show you the tape. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> you want to win the world series, you quit when you're down 1-0? no. you keep going. do you quit when you're down 1-0 in debates? no. no. there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer. i would recommend biotene. the enzymes in biotene products help supplement enzymes that are naturally in saliva. biotene helps moisten those areas that have become dry. those that are suffering can certainly benefit from biotene. when you take a cl
president obama and mitt romney's first face to face meeting since the election. >>> and hostess wants to give its top execs nearly $2 million worth of bonuses as thousands of workers are losing their jobs. join our conversation on twitter. find us @newsnation. [ "odd couple" theme plays ] humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> developing right now, we are about 45 minutes away from a united nations general assembly session that will result in a historic vote on palestinian statehood. there have already been rallies today in the palestinian territories in support of a resolution upgrading the palestinian's u.n. status to a nonmember state. the resolution is expected to win overwhelming approval in the general assembly despite strong opposition by the u.s. and israel. here's israeli
. he's right, isn't he? the math doesn't add up. it didn't add up with mitt romney. it doesn't add up today. >> it doesn't add up, and those targeted revenue measures serve certain goals that we actually care about more than helping billionaires. those goals include what you just said, incentivizing charitable giving, and also home ownership, which is a middle to upper class benefit, but it's one that we've always encouraged with the mortgage interest rate deduction because we want people moving into the middle class. that matters more, that is better than just worrying about billionaires. one other point i want to hit since we're on the martin bashir show, i know this is a place for real talk so if we can have some real talk for a second. there is no fiscal cliff. there's no special deadline. these are long-term debates. you were asking mr. russert about the past negotiations because these are debates we've had in the past that we will continue to have in the future. some people would rather solve them in the bottom of the ninth. that would be better. but if we go into the tenth or 1
this off the doorstep. >> they need to do that. had they not taken such extreme positions mitt romney might have done a lot better. i think the president is in command here. they're not going to beat him on this one. they'll make themselves look bad. i think they do, and if i were them i would do what boehner is talking about. here's the other problem, though. if boehner is not going to get the 60 or 70 tea party people, so he has to get some democrats. i don't think he can get democrats if they do something like try to raise the age of medicare or something like that. eligibility for medicare. that is a no-go zone for any reasonable, respectable democrat. this is not even. even if boehner caves, he can't bring his caucus with him. he has to deal with nancy pelosi one way or another. >> howard dean and krystal ball, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thanks. >> coming up, there is a sleeping giant in the tax policy issues facing the president and congress, and no one is talking about it yet. another republican is takingç shots at mitt romney, and this time of all people it's paul r
the media played this race as a nail-biter where, in fact, i think romney is going to win by quite a bit. >> bill: why didn't they just listen to me? it will be the biggest surprise. how about the electoral vote column? you need 270. will romney get even close to that? >> my own view is that romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes. he will win florida virginia, north carolina indiana. these are states that obama won last time. iowa. ohio. new hampshire. pennsylvania. wisconsin. and minnesota. >> bill: he said 325. he was only off by 1. right? because the winner got 326. oops, that's right the winner was barack obama not mitt romney. so what about karl rove and dick morris? michael calderone is the senior media reporter for "huffington post" joining us on our news line this morning. michael, we're not going to see him for awhile, huh? >> yes. i think -- i know you're missing him. but i don't think we'll see these guys for a little while. >> bill: here's the deal. i was chatting with some of our
is underscoring his reasonableness. i feel like this is a reasonableness towards having romney to the white house, meeting with ceos who donated to romney going out there as michael crowley pointed out, we were chit chatting over the president, full disclosure, the president using a fair and balanced to describe his approach which is a republican line. >> never heard the phrase. >> but, you know, the question is, does that at some point backfire for him? the republicans seem to be pushing back saying this is extreme, insane, we can't believe this is -- >> i think the best contrast for what's happening is the stimulus bill that happened in 2009. it was the first thing he did after being elected in 2008 and did a dramatically different than what he did now. he structured the bill with the tax cuts in it and told republicans okay, come on board, you have about a third of the tax cuts in the package, that's what you wanted and he didn't give them an incentive to buy into the enterprise. he didn't allow them to claim ownership of the change to the legislation and did an inside game what melissa was ta
than mitt romney and paul ryan throughout the campaign, a problem as real today as it will be tomorrow -- the math. as the president explained in his first post-election interview on bloomberg this afternoon. >> it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue, and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes and deductions, then it's going to be middle class families who make up the difference. >> indeed. as the president notes, you can't get $800 billion in revenue without eliminating, for example, charitable deductions, which would put all manner of hospitals, shelters, and churches on the road to ruin. as the president said, that's not his idea of a balanced approach. >> middle class seniors who are on medicare, young people who are trying to get student loans to go to college, i can't ask them to sacrifice and not ask anything of higher income folks. >> no, that's republicans job, of course, a very special christmas for the very, very rich brought to you by the makers of romney and ryan. congressman charles rangel is a democrat from new york and he join
nation. a look at how president obama and mitt romney fared in various parts of the country. of course the patchwork nation project breaks the u.s. into 12 types of communities. go to my trusty board here. remind you, boom towns, military, money, evangelical epicenters, mormon outposts, immigration nations, service worker centers, industrial metropolitan and tractor countries. going into the election, this is what we were telling you. mitt romney needed to do this well in the typical gop strongholds. evangelical centers, tractor country, mormon, look at this. he did out perform bush in all of these areas. all of these areas. he increased bush's margins or stayed the same in the key republican areas. and if you look at this, for president obama versus john kerry, again looking at this through '04 and the 12 lens the president did the same thing. topped him by five points in the industrial metropolis counties and increased the campus centers by a point in those counties. in fact, it was not a surprise. according to the director of the patchwork nation project he was on the show back in j
. [ grunting ] >>> mitt romney made it to the oval office yesterday, but not quite in the way he'd envision ed it. the two former rivals talked for over an hour over white turkey chili and southwestern grilled chicken salad. delicious. in the private dining room just off the oval office. after a sharp eye spotted boxing gloves in the photograph, aides joked there were no punches thrown. nbc senior political editor mark murray is here with this morning's first read. mark, the picture is worth 1,000 words. that's why they did this, for the picture. >> it was a symbolic moment. not a lot was said. we've gotten little reporting on any big substance, but you could argue the symbolism does matter. we had a campaign that essent l essentially lasted two years, a lot of tough words, a very personal campaign and it proves to the american public that, you know what, we can all move on as a country even after a tough campaign, that life goes on, you accept who wins. you accept who loses even in a close contest after 2,000 which was a statistical tie between al gore and george w. bush, the country does mo
romney has been spotted at disneyland and pumping his own gas. anything to keep busy. what the former romneys are doing about their future. also triumph in the face of tragedy. a victory for the secretary of state chiefs one day after a tragic murder/suicide. big question for you. should president obama stand his ground on tax cuts for the wealthy even if it means going over the cliff. tweet me @thomasaroberts. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replace
people. yeah. so congratulations to the lucky winners. mitt and ann romney. >> oh, 580 million, just throw it on the pile. >> yeah. [ male announcer ] introducing the new dell xps 12. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ it's changing the conversation. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in?e maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. maybe you want to incorporate a business. or protect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a legal plan attorney is available in most states with every personalized document to answer questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. >>> have you joined the "politicsnation" conversation on facebook yet? i hope you will. speaker boehner's decision to finally a woman.
romney, who ran on the platform of not raising taxes lost and the speaker knows he has to do it. the problem is, his members ran on the platform opposing tax increases and they won. so, he's got the challenge of trying to persuade people who are against tax increases who ran and won on that platform doing what the speaker knows ultimately has to be done and that's raise revenue from the top 2% of this deal. >> correct me if i'm wrong but based on what i read and what i heard with regards to the math. if you close loopholes and limit deductions, you still cannot generate the kind of revenue that would arrive at 1.6 or even $1.2 trillion. is that correct? >> i'm not sure about that. if you do loopholes and you do tax rate increases, i believe you can -- >> rate increases, yes, but not deductions. >> rate increases. >> so, the rates have to go up. >> that's correct. i think they do. if you want to get to the number the president's talking or even close to it. the loopholes. if we can clean up the tax code, everyone is in favor of that. making it simpler, clearer and it probably won
clinton. >>> on the washington post" gives the most detailed account of romney. it says he's spending most of his time in la jolla, california, on his ipad. they say romney's seclusion is marked by suppressed conclusions, second-guessing and boredom. though they say he is not bitter. "the post" also reports the loss has been more difficult on ann romney who friends say has been crying in private and trying to get back to riding her horses. >>> someone else who might want to have a good cry. casino magnate sheldon adelson after vowing to spend $100 million to defeat president obama. the huffington post said that he actually spent $150 million. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president clinton were part of a golfing foursome sunday but no cameras were allowed. these pictures are from when they played last year. it's believed to be the president's third time hitting the links since the election. >>> finally, birther tate tr
the race. the big one, romney's decision to pick congressman paul ryan as his running mate. axle rod also says that he was surprised the pro-romney super pacs waited so late to launch attack ads. the romney campaign should have done a better job defining their candidate instead of leaving a vacuum for the obama campaign to fill in, they filled it in pretty early. molly ball, national political reporter for "the atlantic." lynn sweet, chief for "chicago sun-times." you wrote about this and you also say that the obama campaign is engaging supporters about how to move forward. even conducting a post-election survey of sorts. what do you know? >> we know that more than one million of the supporters answered it and we already know that this big obama army is working on fiscal cliff matters where they're sgogoing to be, t are mobilized to help support the president's plan to get the tax breaks in first, but we're learning history, finally. we're getting it in the first david alex raxlerod is talking he never thought that paul ryan would be the vice president pick. >> who did he think? >> he tho
using and offering in mitt romney's terms. it didn't work this time. it actually worked for the president to say, okay, it's not taxes rising on everyone but some people will pay more taxes. that kind of play book has worked time and time again. ultimately what breaks the fever? the trump card is with the president. taxes will go up if they do nothing. going over the cliff will see taxes going up on everyone and that's what republicans can avert if they choose to do so. >> krystal, it's not like the right is not fighting back. >> sure. >> because you you are seeing people that are openly swinging against speaker boehner's deal. senator jim demint says the tax hike will destroy american jobs. the coke brothers say leaves conservatives wanting. the heritage foundation said the proposal was asking republicans to go back on their promise not to raise taxes. so there is pushback. >> there is push back. it's not surprising there's push back, given the fact this is essentially on economic issues. all that the republican party has stood for for decades now. but what's going to b
romney was making during the campaign that americans roundly rejected. for them to cling to that rhetoric doesn't make sense. they've had time to make their case and they're losing american people. the president has been very firm from the beginning, he's been very consistent across the board with members of congress, the business community, progressive leaders, you name it, all the different folks he's brought in to talk about this, he's been very consistent. he's not playing a game and i think you got a taste of that yesterday in his remarks to the business roundtable. he's not kidding. he's put some serious things on the table, he's put his plans out there, it's balanced, there's spending, he's willing to make a deal but he is not willing to have any kind of conversation that does not include raising rates and he's unwilling to put raising the debt ceiling in as part of this package and i think he's not going to move from that. >> let's look at the examination that's going into the strategy coming from the white house. rich lowrie calls the president's strategy operation humiliation wi
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think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmaker. i suspect that, from folks that i've talked to, eric cantor will not be a thorn in boehner's side. eric cantor realizes he has time, niece his 40s, he wants to be the first jewish speaker of the house. sit back, relax, you know what? if boehner becomes unpopular you don't have to lead a charge against him. you can say, well, that's too bad, john, you don't have the support. but he doesn't have to do anything, he can sit back. >> on positive way, it's not mitt romney's loss as obama's win which has helped him. they're bedfellows now. they've have to negotiate from a different perspective. >> what's shocked me there's this tacit understanding the negotiation's not going to be done until the 11th hour at a table, over the air,
$800 billion in revenues on the table. >> so he did the same maneuver that mitt romney did, and as i have said, that's the kind of thing you might want to do in a presidential campaign. though interestingly, it didn't work for mitt romney. he said i can raise "x" billion, he said $800 billion, by closing undisclosed loopholes and tax expenditures, but once you get down to the level of specifics and you say, i want to close the charitable deduction, i want to close the mortgage interest deduction, i want to close the state and local deduction, then you awake a lot of o opponents for whom your loophole is their treasured program. that's are not scorable, addible numbers at all and the president is correct to say, look, we've got weeks -- we're weeks out from the fiscal cliff. bring to me a deal we can start negotiating. >> david, karen was saying earlier she feel that is speaker boehner doesn't really have a lot of leverage or room for maneuver. we've all been focused on the president's assertion that the tax rates for the top 2% are going up but that's not the only thing that the pres
. the president's lunch with mitt romney, the united nations note on palestine. all this as joe biden was christmas shopping. >>> and some amazing random acts of kindness. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and today the first of the two grand prize powerball winners will come forward to reveal themselves and have their lives change forever. and there's also buzz about a potential code within the winning numbers. nbc's kerry sanders has that story. >> reporter: in tiny dearborn, missouri, where just about everyone knows everyone, the question is was it one of their own who bought a winning powerball ticket? >> it's exciting, very exciting. we never, ever thought that we would sell the winning ticket, and here it is. we did. >> reporter: folks in this farming community just off interstate 70 are now trying to figure out if the winning numbers were chosen with meaning. dearborn is but 35 miles north of kansas city, home of the royals baseball team. those winning lottery numbers? they match royals' hall of famers, brett, gubiza, jackson, leonard, quizenbury. the one outlier, bo jack
, romney to meet for lunch at white house. the white house revealed that the men will have lunch in the private dining room of the white house. it will be their first extensive meeting ever other than their three debates during the fall campaign. they have had only a few brief encounters. while in washington, mr. romney also reportedly will visit with his former running mate paul ryan of wisconsin who is heavily golved in the g.o.p.'s negotiations with the obama administration to solve the government's fiscal cliff. since the election, mr. rom knit has secluded himself from the media at his southern california home making no public appearances but has bad photographed killing his car at a local gas station and taking a day trip with his grandchildren to nearby disneyland. linden in bristol, virginia on our democrats line. the g.o.p. says to address the spending problem, what do you think? caller: i kind of agree more with the president that it should be a balanced approach. yes, we probably do have a spending problem. i agree. but i definitely believe that there is a problem with
decision to define mitt romney in may and june, coming out of the primary. went right into the states, sort of framing him as a plutocrat who didn't care about the middle class, mitt romney campaign reserved time for the fall, put $20 million into the fall but he was already defined. it ended up being too late. so the lesson is, going forward in 2016, will the real ad war begin in may and june and we're not waiting anymore for post-convention labor day schedule. >> another point, you're exactly right, another point that's important, mitt romney, the primarily took more out of him than people realized in terms of money he wound up having donors maxed out couldn't do anything until he became the nominee. thank you for your time. >>> next, syria readies chemical weapons as the crisis in that country escalates. former u.s. ambassador to nato nicholas burns joins me. >>> plus, hamid karzai's tough message to the united states. the nbc news exclusive with the president of afghanistan next on "andrea mitchell reports." twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obli
there. >>> the white house releasing this photo of mitt romney and president obama shaking hands during yesterday's private lunch meeting. >> so there was a photo after all. >> released and taken by the white house. the former rivals promised to stay in touch after spending an hour discussing ideas for keeping america competitive. they dined on turkey chili and chicken salad. a source tells cnn there was no talk of a possible role for romney in the obama administration. >>> the supreme court may decide as early as today if it will tackle same-sex marriage. the justices will consider requests to review cases that challenge doma, the defense of marriage act, as a violation of the constitution's equal protection marriage. also on the table potentially, they're considering a challenge to prop 8, that is california's ban on same-sex marriage which voters narrowly approved back in 2008. >> this is a huge move by the court today to find out what they're going to do. >>> an update on the health of former president george h.w. bush. he's in stable condition at a houston hospital. he was admitted
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're just going to throw out the deduction and not specify it, that would be the only legacy of mitt romney that we're talking about right now. we all joked about how he was totally uninfluential in this party. this has stuck. didn't work for romney. people were not interested in that. i don't really see what interest the white house has in making a deal. so far all the public polling makes it look like, again, this could change, but all the public polling makes it look if we go over the cliff the republicans will be blamed and they're the ones being recalcitrant and the white house can make a deal on their terms because they won. >> in terms of who's going to get blamed if we go over the cliff, ari, is there a risk as the republicans put forth a plan f you're john public, does that seem like a reasonable offer? i don't know. they're playing ball. do the democrats risk getting blamed if we go over the fiscal cliff now that there is a counter offer from the gop? >> that's the interesting question. connects with what ezra was talking about. do the actual sacrifices happen in your backyard and
romney would win in a landslide with 325 electoral votes. he also made the prediction that president obama might pull out of the race. >>> a new "washington post"/abc news poll said that hillary clinton would be approved for president obama. and another path said that michelle obama would do well. right now she leads republican senator mark kirk of illinois 51-40%. >>> so a new congressional report shows wasteful spending of tax money that was intended for counter-terrorism purposes, some of the worst examples, the homeland security department paid for a hog catcher in texas. a fish tank and an underwater robot in a midwest city with no major rivers or lakes nearby. former republican senator allen simpson has a message, use the tools to sign up people for the can kicks back campaign to avoid the fiscal cliff and cut the national debt. the 81-year-old simpson went "gangnam style" to make his point. ♪ >> i have a bum knee. horse, horse. ride the horse. >> senator, thank you for that. and that's your morning dish of "scrambled politics." and now for a look at your national weather, le
they didn't make it. ted cruz says that the real problem with mitt romney's disastrous 47% quote was that it accepted the notion that some people are rich. some people are poor. and that's how the pie looks. and then you redistribute among them. he's saying no. true conservatism -- and we've heard joe say this around the table -- >> absolutely. >> -- true conservatism means that everybody can do anything and that the republican party's missed that message. that's what they need to turn to. >> it's going to be interesting to see how they do that and if ted cruz becomes sort of the force in this. what do you think? what's your gut, mike? >> he's already offering himself -- he clearly wants to play that role. >> yeah. >> he said last night, i'm something that's not supposed to exist, a hispanic republican. so ted cruz is one of the most interesting parts of this reinvention of the republican party. another part of it, the new emphasis on immigration. >> yes. >> the effort to reach hispanics. we have a story up today saying that already republicans are going to pieces over this. that
with mitt romney. a mid-week summit with the business leaders that supported romney. the ceos of marriott, at&t and state farm. of course, meeting, after meeting, after meeting with speaker, john boehner and republican leaders. with this strategy, president obama keeps his opponents from being able to claim that he is unreasonable or stone walling. heck, i have y'all over every day, he can claim. it also ensures that they know where he stands, in the oval office. return there for another four years by the american people. which is why the president has been reminding his coalition of this. >> don't ever take sides against anyone against the family again. >> president obama is letting his electoral coalition or his family know that now is the time to hang together totally, rather than allow republicans to pick you have vulnerable, nervous members of the democratic coalition, he is getting the family in line. he reached out to voters to do their part to continue campaign. calling on all americans to raise awareness about the fiscal cliff, to get in touch with their congressmen to tweet my2k
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